Here are some helpful tips that I would have loved to read before making the voyage and lots of stressful decisions….
This post aims at taking a stab at helping the before and after by providing info others have shared to smooth the edge of your nerves and the process.
Moving from one country to another is an acutely distressing task. It means leaving your friends and family and all the places you know and love. As well as your favorite foods. That will be more difficult than you will believe!
Starting over completely, upon arrival you will need to find a new doctor/pediatrician/vet, grocery store, park, and most importantly friends. This is often made more difficult by the language barrier you may incur.
The people here are amazing! They will help you. There are some LESS than friendly people in every country. Don’t let them get you down. Move along and get some help from one of the many wonderful folks here. They outnumber the jerks.
Helpful Online resources
Skype, Facebook messenger, ZOOM, VIBER, Whatsapp! Do it now! find a video messaging system that meets your needs. Get your friends and family to do the same.
Fortunately, now there are a number of Facebook groups for ex-pats online. Search them out before your move and post any questions you have on their sites. You will be shocked at how helpful people tend to be.
I have found the most helpful ones are on Facebook. In Serbia, there is the Belgrade foreign visitors club, Expats in Serbia, the Circle of foreign moms, and International women married to Serbs. These groups are new ex-pats best friends. And a great help for those anticipating the move. If you post questions, people are happy to help. They have been there. They have priceless experience.
For anyone reading, if you have anything to add, please leave a comment with the info, I will joyfully edit this to add new and helpful information.
http://www.internations.org/ is a great international organization that helps ex-pats to come together. They have groups in every major city and ambassadors who seem really helpful.
Another FB group would be Flat to rent Belgrade. If you need to find a place to live you can also post on the Belgrade foreign visitors club page. It seems that is a brilliant place to find help, especially if you only want to rent a room in a shared flat or apt!
http://www.expat-blog.com/ is a great site for people moving anywhere from anywhere. They have a blog list for the world.
http://www.expatsblog.com/ This site has lots of blogs listed from all over the world, and they interview bloggers. Some of the interviews are very insightful.
Shipping concerns/preparing for the move
You will have to decide what to keep or ship. Shipping is very expensive. And once your stuff arrives, you may be charged crazy taxes. Making it questionable what is worth shipping.
To find out where to learn about shipping to Serbia we looked online, and at Balkan food markets where we asked and found a magazine with an ad for shipping to all the former Yugoslavian countries. We pondered moving our cars, and all our belongings but opted to sell almost everything.
In the end, we were lucky. We had a bunch of friends who were shipping an entire container. We did end up shipping about 15 plastic bins and boxes. I am really thankful we did. It is great to have a bit of home so far away.
For us, shipping cars would have been senseless (even though I miss our VW and my little red sports car.) The taxes and shipping would have been outrageous. And buying a car here isn’t that hard. If you want to get used ones there are sites for that, like http://www.halooglasi.com/.
I posted a question about shipping stuff to Serbia, and I got this message in return. I just copied and pasted it as all the info may be helpful.
*****With reference to your post on Belgrade Foreign Visitors Club please find below more details on the import of households in Serbia.
If you are returning Serbian citizen you have the right to apply for a Repatriation Certificate which will allow you to import used households up to the value of EUR 5000. In order to qualify for this exemption you will need to prove that you have worked minimum 2 years without any gaps abroad. You can contact the nearest Serbian embassy for more details and the cost of the Repatriation Certificate.
You will need to create a valued list of goods in Serbian with the values.
If you do not qualify for this exemption, as a returning Serbian citizen, then import duties and taxes are charged at the rate of 45-47% of the value of the shipment.
Please note that values for Customs purposes are different from the Insurance values. Insurance values are the replacement value of new items at the destination and they are higher than the actual value of the used households. Therefore do not declare Insurance value for the transport.*****
You can find some international shipping companies online. Do some research beyond pricing. There are some horror stories. Movers not showing up, or things going missing, etc. Reviews are priceless! I may also recommend writing embassies to see who they use as they are always having people move to and from here and there.
These are the things you think about as you anticipate the move. But before that, you must decide what to do with your stuff. Do you ship it, or chuck it all and get new everything?
Also, what will you do with your mail? There are companies who will forward it… $$$ I have mine sent to a friend. If it is important, she copies it and forwards it.
Things to know about the culture of Serbia and everyday living. This was graciously written by another foreign woman married to a Serb. Thank you, SM!!
1) Learning Serbian is hard for the linguistically challenged; perhaps even for those with a gift for languages.
2) Driving can be a challenge; narrow roads littered with pedestrians, strays, and owned, people parking in lanes just to pop into a store for a few minutes, drivers opening car doors into oncoming traffic, drivers overtaking on blind corners with a come-what-may flair and an overall sense of the survival of the fittest (aka if I can squeeze in before you reach me it doesn’t really matter if you have to slam on breaks to accommodate me).
3) Long winters that sometimes swallow up portions of what should have been spring or autumn.
4) Getting a local you trust to enquire/negotiate for you when asking for a quotation or selling price. Any foreigner is immediately assumed to be loaded and prices are multiplied accordingly.
5) Another general rule is that contracts are rare and requesting one is almost an insult. Serbs run on an honor system of agreement (which generally turns out ok. Until it doesn’t).
6) Most negotiations are a bit like wooing. You need to set the mood for a positive outcome; good food and plenty of it, tons of rakija and pivo, laughter, and possibly even music. Set aside a good few hours for this before you get down to business. If you think about it, it’s actually quite beautiful as setting a business relationship on a good footing is very important in any culture. This is simply how it’s done here.
7) Serbian homes are pristine. There’s a reason for this beyond mega-cleanliness, I believe. All visitors pop in spontaneously. From a culture where most things are scheduled, even amongst friends, this can be a little daunting if you’re not the neatest freak under the sun.
Number six may be taken further. When we need anything done at the local city hall we always take a pack of coffee and some cookies. A bit of sweetness greases the wheels.
I have also heard, that if something is taking a long time, you should show up in person and ask continually, and kindly. Seeing your face will remind them of the task.
Here is one more note from another ex-pat in the north. K wrote this letter about what and how she packed things from home. Maybe her words will be a bit of help for you.
Things I’m so glad I packed!
1. SAMs club bags! Big enough to carry about 4-5 bags of groceries, can use either the shoulder strap or handles for lugging items around. Best thing I bought for the move by far!
2.Toiletries. Yes, I can buy shampoo, deodorant, q-tips, nail clippers… But with all the learning curve that’s involved with a new culture, not having to find out where to buy toothpaste the first week has been very helpful. Now (after 2 weeks) I know where to find these items, but it was an enormous help not to worry about that immediately.
3.Kitchen utensils! Not only did I bring my good kitchen knives, but my favorite spoons, can openers, pizza cutter, potato peeler… Items like that here are SO expensive, yet cheaper made. I’m thankful that while I’m cooking different food, at least I’m familiar with how I’m cooking it. (Oh – and don’t forget measuring cup/spoons. The metric system is used just about everywhere else, so if you have your American recipe that calls for cups and tsps, you’ll not have to guess or do lots of math!)
4.Tools! Just as the kitchen items are important to me, having a few basic tools have been helpful for D. Screwdivers, wrenches, level… finding the tools you need here has been difficult. Grateful that we do not feel at a complete loss when we need to repair something.
5.Those hooks that stick on the walls – the ones you can use to hang pictures, towels, flyswatters, kitchen spoons… you know the ones!
6.Practical, comfortable clothes and shoes. I did pack a few nice outfits, but I’m thankful I downsized. Now that I’m here, I can’t see myself wearing any of the “nice” things. I also packed a few clothes the next size up for the kids to wear if they hit a growth spurt soon.
7.A few toys and favorite items for the kids from home. Yes, just like the toiletries, we can buy toys here, but the comfort of having something from home has been a blessing. The kids also each brought a poster to hang up in their room, which makes their room look more like it belongs to them. Along those lines, we also brought some of our “traditions” with us – the “happy birthday banner,” a 4th of July tablecloth, “you are special today” plate.
8.Music, audiobooks and movies. (I put them on a hard drive.) It’s comforting to have English entertainment at the end of a long day.
Things I wish I would have packed.
Ziploc bags! Gallon size, freezer ready. Since they do not exist here, I would have been tempted to pack a suitcase full. (OK, that’s exaggerating, but it’s amazing how many things I used zipping bags for that’s not even food related.)
My husband did a lot of work in the apartment before I got here, but if I was here initially, I would have liked to bring a small roll of “big” garbage bags and 1 tub of Lysol wipes. Just to get the place cleaned up.
I originally started to pack these but thought I’d need to downsize more, so I got rid of them. Small, everyday items – the kind you’d get at the dollar store: paper towel holder, office organizers, Tupperware containers, toothbrush holders… These types of items are incredibly expensive here. (Thankfully because of homeschooling, I did bring pens, pencils, scissors, and glue. I did not bring scotch tape & it took a long time to find it here. We wrapped up our Christmas presents in packing tape! When D did find it, the tape dispenser was cheaply made, but we’re making it work!)
More American dollars. It depends on where you are going. We get the best exchange rate for dinars by withdrawing them from the ATM. However, rent, schooling, van and other big items need to be paid in Euros. The only way to get them is to withdraw dinars (exchange rate from dollars) and exchange them again for Euros. Double whammy. For our start-up costs, it would have been much easier to exchange dollars to Euros once.
Thanks to those who helped me write this blog.
If you are moving to Serbia or anywhere, Good Luck!! Take it day by day and remember it is an adventure of a lifetime! There are some serious struggles, cultural issues, and relationship trials. Xanax might be a good idea. 😉
Again, please feel free to use the comment section to add your own advice! Maybe you could start a blog of your own! It can help others and be a great form of mental therapy for free! Thanks for stopping by!
Wow! Thank you for writing this; it is very helpful to me. My family is looking at migrating to Serbia soon. One question I have is did your friend K. have any trouble homeschooling her children in Serbia? We homeschool our four children and are concerned how the local administrators will view this activity. I would greatly appreciate any information you could provide on this topic.
Hey Shannon, I don’t know anything about homeschooling here. I don’t think it’s a thing. BUT I could be wrong. I would recommend joining the Facebook group Belgrade Foreign visitors club. They are a SO helpful in answering lots of questions for people living in or moving to Serbia. Ask to join and then ask your question. You will get lots of answers. Let me know if there is anything else you want to know or ask that FB group!
I have been in Belgrade for almost half year, now is struggling to purchase a car. However the car dealer seems scamming on us, as you said, they are not willing to provide contract..
Do you have any experience or do you know any procedure on how a foreigner should buy a car under our own name here ?
Thanks for helping
I wish I could help. I haven’t done any of that myself. My husband has done it. I would ask in the Facebook group, Belgrade Foreign visitors club. They are a bunch of super helpful people. I wish you luck!
I’m planning to come to migrate Serbia. I want to do import and export business. I don’t know how much import duties in seriba. Which city is Better for work in seriba Belgrade or Novi sad. ?
Hello Gajendra. If I were you, I would post a comment on the Belgrade foreign visitors club Facebook page or the Expats in Serbia group. Both are full of people who may be able to help. I wish you lots of luck!
Questions on taxes (income taxes). If I am an expatriate from U.S. (no tax treaty) and my pension is taxed in the U.S., and I am a resident in Serbia (family unification), do I have to pay income tax on my pension?
Actually, along with, and in support of responses, if anyone knows of a legitimate tax advisor in Serbia whom I could call, please advise.
I would find a good tax adviser. I know nothing. I just give all my info to my accountant. If you want to ask a group for help, the Belgrade foreign visitors club group on FB is really helpful.